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i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungy jump. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts with al sharpton. >>> thanks, chris. it didn't come from the white house, it didn't come from democrats, it came from senator jim demint. the tea party hero who famously made this vow with the president's health care law. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. >> guess what, it wasn't the president's waterlook but today he announced that he's leaving the senate to run a conservative think tank. and just like that, gone is is a man who represented all of the obstruction, the man who defined gridlock and was the face of ugliness in the tea party movement. the night of the preside
i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungy jump. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts with al...
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that's right. tone. the fastest knew right wing gunslinger in texas, senator elect ted cruz explaining it this way. up want to know why obama won 75% of the hispanic vote, tone on immigration contributed but i think far more important was the 47%. oh, yeah, the big romney call for self-deportation had nothing to do with it. nor did the gop's slew of other extremist position on immigration. and then there's mr. on-air meltdown himself, karl rove, the former gop king-maker. why not just come right out and call him the man who blew through $300 million? he said in his speech, he's no longer suicidal that president won. well, that's a relief. now mr. rove is just, quote, despondent. and here's his new theory on why they lost. what splinters the republican party is intolerant and judgmental language and an unwillingness to acknowledge differences. so the big mystery the republicans have figured out their party just sounds to me is about their language. it's about their tone. nothing about their far right poli
that's right. tone. the fastest knew right wing gunslinger in texas, senator elect ted cruz explaining it this way. up want to know why obama won 75% of the hispanic vote, tone on immigration contributed but i think far more important was the 47%. oh, yeah, the big romney call for self-deportation had nothing to do with it. nor did the gop's slew of other extremist position on immigration. and then there's mr. on-air meltdown himself, karl rove, the former gop king-maker. why not just come...
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in the polls right after that was really real. i mean, that was another thing that was very different between the two campaigns. i feel the obama people were much more realistic about the numbers, what the numbers really were, as compared to the romney campaign. >> what do you make of that, the fact -- again, we see the pattern of tactical answers to what seem to be terrible statements about half the country, 47%, not being this guy's responsibility. >> right. i mean, i think in fairness these questions were tactical questions. this was a forum about the nuts and bolts of why they did this or that, but i thought interestingly, i agree with susan, the obama campaign was saying that even though things looked a little bit better for them, they thought it was only a temporary thing. they thought they were only getting some of the independents temporarily. we saw that after the first debate things switched back very quickly. the obama campaign thought it was a good moment for them only because it was a bad moment for mitt romney. this
in the polls right after that was really real. i mean, that was another thing that was very different between the two campaigns. i feel the obama people were much more realistic about the numbers, what the numbers really were, as compared to the romney campaign. >> what do you make of that, the fact -- again, we see the pattern of tactical answers to what seem to be terrible statements about half the country, 47%, not being this guy's responsibility. >> right. i mean, i think in...
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. >> right. it was an election in which president obama, unprecedented for a democrat, actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the top 2% and he was re-elected resoundingly with it. to what ron said, if it's only $14 trillion, what's the big deal, go ahead and let the rich pay it? that's number one. number two, the other thing that's been exposed and what's true, what's always been true about conservativism is that the core principle is the rich don't pay too much, they pay too little. when they say things like broaden the tax base, they think it's a moral hazard to have a progressive tax code. you want a flatter tax code for those with less money pay more into the system. republicans have tried to talk around that because that's anç unpopular thing to tell your tea party base, middle class people, no, we think lower income people and middle income people should pay more. but when we strip away all the rhetoric about job creators and the rest, that is t
. >> right. it was an election in which president obama, unprecedented for a democrat, actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the top 2% and he was re-elected resoundingly with it. to what ron said, if it's only $14 trillion, what's the big deal, go ahead and let the rich pay it? that's number one. number two, the other thing that's been exposed and what's true, what's always been true about conservativism is that the core principle is the rich...
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all right? that doesn't make sense. >> reporter: mr. obama's opening bid includes $1.6 trillion in new revenue, about half coming from higher rates for the wealthy. 600 billion in cuts to domestic programs like medicare. and 50 billion in new infrastructure spending. when treasury secretary tim geithner went to the capitol and laid out the plan for a senate republican leading mitch mcconnell, aides on both sides said mcconnell burst out in laughter. with talks now entering the final month, house republicans offer add more somber assessment. >> we're not interested in playing rope a dope. >> it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> reporter: so alex the clock is ticking. the president's public campaign trying to pressure john boehner, eric cantor and their charges in their house republican conference continues. he meets with governors this week here at the white house to talk about this time and more meetings with ceos, this is in the form of the business round table, a business lobbying group. >> being al
all right? that doesn't make sense. >> reporter: mr. obama's opening bid includes $1.6 trillion in new revenue, about half coming from higher rates for the wealthy. 600 billion in cuts to domestic programs like medicare. and 50 billion in new infrastructure spending. when treasury secretary tim geithner went to the capitol and laid out the plan for a senate republican leading mitch mcconnell, aides on both sides said mcconnell burst out in laughter. with talks now entering the final...
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president obama's is much more modst. but it does lead us beginning in the right direction. we are very -- my organization is very much supporting both the schakowsky and conniers bill. and the american jobs act from president obama as well. we are working to try to get attention in the congress to those measures. and i think it's important to -- to simply make the point that although jobs are coming back in the private sector, the government has an important role to play in creating a massive jobs program that will generate the kind of consumer demand that will then cause the private sector to really start staffing up in a way that we need them to staff up to have full employment. but that should be the goal. full employment. >> terry, going back to the fiscal slope negotiations, there's basically no women really involved in the high level negotiations. nancy pelosi is sort of a side player as she was in the debt ceiling negotiations. research has shown that female legislators attract more co-sponsors for their bills, indicating they're better at consensus building. other r
president obama's is much more modst. but it does lead us beginning in the right direction. we are very -- my organization is very much supporting both the schakowsky and conniers bill. and the american jobs act from president obama as well. we are working to try to get attention in the congress to those measures. and i think it's important to -- to simply make the point that although jobs are coming back in the private sector, the government has an important role to play in creating a massive...
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right now the obama approach is to go hold this rally in philadelphia in allyson schwartz's district, a democrat, and somehow it's going to change the minds of house republican. you've just been re-elected in a year of close to 65 million votes. you're probably going to be okay in which turnout's going to be significantly lower. >> hold on, jim. >> one of those cases -- >> hold on. i can tell you that if i were still in congress, i would go on talk radio, and everybody in northwest florida would just be horrified that the president was in a democrats' district in pennsylvania, that would make me collapse and go, oh! i will do something that i think is bad for small business owners all across -- no, actually, i don't mean to be a smart ass here. i don't know who is telling him to do this. i don't get it. >> the best possible scenario. let's say that these campaign-style rallies really work. and that you get -- and it goes, you know, people are going to show up to this are going to be typical obama supporters, but that's okay. but for every republican, it's the same old folks calling in
right now the obama approach is to go hold this rally in philadelphia in allyson schwartz's district, a democrat, and somehow it's going to change the minds of house republican. you've just been re-elected in a year of close to 65 million votes. you're probably going to be okay in which turnout's going to be significantly lower. >> hold on, jim. >> one of those cases -- >> hold on. i can tell you that if i were still in congress, i would go on talk radio, and everybody in...
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many ways you're right. last week i was covering these protests at walmart and i interviewed numerous walmart workers who said we've been there three years, five years, ten years, making $8, $9, $10, $11 an hour. you just put up that number. at costco, if you work there 4 1/2 years you're making generally $20.50 an hour. and then they kick in another $4,000, $5,000 to your 401(k). an amazing thing is the typical costco worker there 4 1/2 years is making as much as the typical walmart assistant store manager. >> steve greenhouse, "new york times." great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay right with us. >> it's over. >> no more twinkies? >> this is it. >> hostess executives demand huge bonuses while 18,000 people get fired. congressman jim mcdermott responds, next. >>> gdp is up, and unemployment is down. and this congress is the most unproductive in history. we'll break down the numbers. >>> and congressman louie gohmert g
many ways you're right. last week i was covering these protests at walmart and i interviewed numerous walmart workers who said we've been there three years, five years, ten years, making $8, $9, $10, $11 an hour. you just put up that number. at costco, if you work there 4 1/2 years you're making generally $20.50 an hour. and then they kick in another $4,000, $5,000 to your 401(k). an amazing thing is the typical costco worker there 4 1/2 years is making as much as the typical walmart assistant...
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that's a right he's earned by his re-election. but i have been over the intelligence, the talking points that were given to ambassador rice. i have read over her statements on television that sunday morning over and over again, i met with her, and the acting director of the c. ia, it seems to me that everything she said on those many appearances that sunday morning were within the talking points that she had been given by the intelligence community. look, did one point or another she leave an adjective out or should have put in or been certain about something, she wishes now she had been, of course. but i think if anybody in washington, particularly congress, ought to have a sense of mercy about those kinds of errors because they were not in my opinion, intentional attempts to deceive the american people. she said, basically, what the intelligence community told her was the truth as they tentatively understood it on the day that she went on national television. >> senator, i know you're leaving the senate. are you open to being in
that's a right he's earned by his re-election. but i have been over the intelligence, the talking points that were given to ambassador rice. i have read over her statements on television that sunday morning over and over again, i met with her, and the acting director of the c. ia, it seems to me that everything she said on those many appearances that sunday morning were within the talking points that she had been given by the intelligence community. look, did one point or another she leave an...
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let me tell you, president obama won bigger than bush was re-elected in 2004. >> that's right. >> they keep talking about a close election. in 2012, this year, president obama received 50.9% of the vote. mr. bush only received 50.7. so president obama was re-elected by a wider margin than george bush was. some fluke. but then you have strategist stewart stevens even defending romney's claim that president obama used gifts to win the election. listen to this, karen. >> i don't think that's what he was saying. i think he was saying that there's an effort that the incumbent used, as many other incumbents have used, to reach out to constituents. that's something that we've seen in politics going back to a long time. they did it effectively and they have certain groups that they wanted to do well with and they did well. >> that's utterly nonsense. that's intelligence of the public. he was not talking about the traditional way. he was saying, as they said throughout the campaign, he was giving things away, handouts, which was an insult to the president and to those constituent groups and the
let me tell you, president obama won bigger than bush was re-elected in 2004. >> that's right. >> they keep talking about a close election. in 2012, this year, president obama received 50.9% of the vote. mr. bush only received 50.7. so president obama was re-elected by a wider margin than george bush was. some fluke. but then you have strategist stewart stevens even defending romney's claim that president obama used gifts to win the election. listen to this, karen. >> i don't...
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. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move to, continue to move into the holiday season. all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking abo
. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move...
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the economy, his views on the economy specifically right how giving the looming fiscal cliff. so i suggest -- or i imagine they will discuss that, as well. but do we expect anything larger to come out of this? the white house is managing expectations saying there is really no agenda for this luncheon. it's really to bury the hatchet and to allow the country to move on, as well. >> right now, though, we do know treasury secretary tim geithner as we were telling everyone was on the hill, these marathon meetings with congressional leaders. what more do we know about those meetings? obviously starting off with some of the harder ones at first bhak through nancy pelosi as his last. >> we know the treasury secretary will be heading to the hill with rob nabors. he will be meeting with all of these congressional leaders separately. starting off -- or including house speaker john boehner. of course boehner will be key to moving the needle on these fiscal cliff negotiations. this comes on the heels of a phone call between president obama and speaker boehner which occurred credit. my sou
the economy, his views on the economy specifically right how giving the looming fiscal cliff. so i suggest -- or i imagine they will discuss that, as well. but do we expect anything larger to come out of this? the white house is managing expectations saying there is really no agenda for this luncheon. it's really to bury the hatchet and to allow the country to move on, as well. >> right now, though, we do know treasury secretary tim geithner as we were telling everyone was on the hill,...
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president obama said this: >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that is relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we'reling going to be able to get a deal without it. >> speaker boehner's counter offer yesterday to president obama which included a mythical increase in tax revenue of $800 billion obtained by reducing or eliminating unspecified tax deductions was taken seriously by no one in the senate except republican jim demipt. speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is
president obama said this: >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that is relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we'reling going to be able to get a deal without it. >> speaker...
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voting again for president obama and electing a democratic senator. virginia is increasingly a moderate state. we're not in texas, my home state. if kucuccinelli were running in texas, arizona, even in georgia, these types of politics wouldn't just hurt him, they'd help him, but he's not. he's running in virginia, the land of whole food moms and dads. but at a broader level i find the cuccinelli race interesting because i think it might be a precursor to what we may see in the midterms and perhaps in the 2016 presidential election. we already hear some rumblings about perry getting back into the race, santorum -- >> oh, lord help us, no. please. >> i swear. >> please, no, not the return of rick perry. you cannot be serious. >> i swear to you. >> oh, lord. okay, jimmy, mr. cuccinelli, he sued over obama care, lost. sued the epa, lost. is there anything more dangerous to a political party than a leader who consistently picks fight he loses? >> how many times do you have to lose to be kaumd a loser. >> right. >> let's be honest about this, you have -- an
voting again for president obama and electing a democratic senator. virginia is increasingly a moderate state. we're not in texas, my home state. if kucuccinelli were running in texas, arizona, even in georgia, these types of politics wouldn't just hurt him, they'd help him, but he's not. he's running in virginia, the land of whole food moms and dads. but at a broader level i find the cuccinelli race interesting because i think it might be a precursor to what we may see in the midterms and...
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but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first steps, and encouraging ones. >> really encouraging. and it's not just what they're saying. it's how they're saying it. eric cantor came on. we've all, i think at times, even i as a conservative, who would vote probably along with eric cantor 99% of the time. saw him at times over the past couple years being a bit more obstructionist than i think was good for the party. i thought i loved his tone the other day. what did he focus on? he focused on jobs, on proving that conservatism actually helped all americans, not 53%, not 47%. and yesterday when i talked to jim demint on the phone, i expected to hear one thing. instead i heard another. which is we've all been chained to this republican message. we have got to prove again that conservatism helps all americans. we've done a terrible job delivering that message. we've elected leaders that don't believe in that message. and he talked, just like eric cantor talk ed again, not about ideology, but instead saying, how do we s
but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first steps, and encouraging ones. >> really encouraging. and it's not just what they're saying. it's how they're saying it. eric cantor came on. we've all, i think at times, even i as a conservative, who would vote probably along with eric cantor 99% of the time. saw him at times over the past couple years being a bit more obstructionist than i think was good for the party. i thought i loved his tone the other day....
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let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right.
let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end?...
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>> i think they're kind of past all that at this point, right? i mean, i don't think the demeanor's really going to help at this point. they've been through this -- they've done this dance before. most of the players who are involved in this negotiation are the same players that were involved in the negotiation that happened in the summer of 2011 over the debt ceiling. and so these guys know each other pretty well by now, and i think the president and john boehner, even after all of that, still have a reasonable working relationship. but i think that the president's people have made a very clear calculation, they decided that they tried a way of negotiating in 2011 which was to be what they think of as reasonable. to come in and say, put your cards on the table. this is where we think a good deal will end up. $3 in spending cuts for $1 in tax increases. here's a bunch of medicare cuts on sbilentitlement. show your hand. this is what the president's willing to do. meet me here in the middle. and the president got rebuffed. and their attitude now i
>> i think they're kind of past all that at this point, right? i mean, i don't think the demeanor's really going to help at this point. they've been through this -- they've done this dance before. most of the players who are involved in this negotiation are the same players that were involved in the negotiation that happened in the summer of 2011 over the debt ceiling. and so these guys know each other pretty well by now, and i think the president and john boehner, even after all of that,...
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. >> all right. well, with 25 days to go until the year-end fiscal cliff deadline, president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rat
. >> all right. well, with 25 days to go until the year-end fiscal cliff deadline, president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree...
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your answer is right. we look a little bit disorderly. indecisive, leaderless. that's a real problem. and that's a problem that concerns me particularly on foreign affairs. the presidency, not just president obama, but the presidency in recent years has lost some of the terrain that they used to dominate in the making of foreign policy. i think president obama has to make a serious effort to regain it because he lost some of it himself. >> lost terrain to congress or to whom? >> to congress and to the world. that is to say his capacity to take decisive actions has been limited by congressional intervention, by the influence of lobbies, by the sense that he gives good speeches, very good speeches, and he really understands the world, but the follow-through in terms of policy is somewhat not there. so i think he has to do a lot of things. i think he has to cultivate very deliberately the leadership of the congress, particularly the senate foreign relations committee, engage them personally. he has to be willing to crack the whip in some cases so that defying him i
your answer is right. we look a little bit disorderly. indecisive, leaderless. that's a real problem. and that's a problem that concerns me particularly on foreign affairs. the presidency, not just president obama, but the presidency in recent years has lost some of the terrain that they used to dominate in the making of foreign policy. i think president obama has to make a serious effort to regain it because he lost some of it himself. >> lost terrain to congress or to whom? >> to...